if we're going to cut the size and scope of government perhaps we should go over the fiscal cliff so people will understand government spending is out of control and may start to ask questions being asked at the kitchen tables of every family, why we see christmas sales so low. they're saying how do we make major purchases? people are cutting back in personal lives, they want got to do the same. something else is playing into christmas sales being low. christmas itself is under attack. a lot of christian conservatives believe that if we're going to say happy holiday, perhaps those that think it's any other holiday should support the economy and they're not buying the gifts they used to buy. they do christian efforts locally in churches and talk to families about other things than gifts. >> we always say merry christmas here but stay on this here. if we do go over the fiscal cliff, yes, taxes will go up. molly outlined how much for every income level across the board. >> very hard. >> down the road, isn't it the only way we get our fiscal house back in order? >> that's what i'm hearin